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		<title>By: Warren Calvo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Calvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its amazing that this is going on. The american car was something of pride. They can come back and will. Hybrids are being introduced and will keep improving. They made a few mistakes. I just got my &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://www.haregmcpontiacbuick.com/VehicleDetails/419070643&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;new 2009 Pontiac G6 GT Convertible&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haregmcpontiacbuick.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Hare Pontiac in Indianapolis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and Im happy as well as the other 3 people that were buying their american cars that day. Imports are great but lets not give our companies the TKO just yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its amazing that this is going on. The american car was something of pride. They can come back and will. Hybrids are being introduced and will keep improving. They made a few mistakes. I just got my <a href="http://http://www.haregmcpontiacbuick.com/VehicleDetails/419070643" rel="nofollow"><b>new 2009 Pontiac G6 GT Convertible</b></a> from <a href="http://www.haregmcpontiacbuick.com" rel="nofollow"><b>Hare Pontiac in Indianapolis</b></a> and Im happy as well as the other 3 people that were buying their american cars that day. Imports are great but lets not give our companies the TKO just yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Majerowicz,Durand,MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Majerowicz,Durand,MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When doing just enough is rewarded
The UAW
Because you just dont feel like getting any better
Support the UAW
While the rest of america continues to improve the UAW continues to lift the uneducated and non-motivated up the financial ladder.
Way to go UAW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When doing just enough is rewarded<br />
The UAW<br />
Because you just dont feel like getting any better<br />
Support the UAW<br />
While the rest of america continues to improve the UAW continues to lift the uneducated and non-motivated up the financial ladder.<br />
Way to go UAW</p>
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		<title>By: freddie robinson/apopka fla</title>
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		<dc:creator>freddie robinson/apopka fla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why no one is talking about the small business.freddie robinson auto need help more than big business no 4078801595</description>
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		<title>By: A. Viirlaid, Toronto, Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Viirlaid, Toronto, Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, let&#039;s take a breather.

This is not a bailout. This is about economic warfare with other economies.

They all do it. They all subsidize. They all coddle their own industries. They love our naïveté. They are eating us for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and also for in-between-meal snacks. 

We don&#039;t do that. We don&#039;t like it. It goes against our economic genetic makeup. Our freedom-loving ways make it natural to give people a chance to succeed and to do that, we naturally have to give them the chance to fail. The one cannot occur without the other. Otherwise the resources to let people start up new ventures would always be used to support dying industries. 

So why not let the Detroit 3 fail in this case, at this juncture?

First of all, even WE in the West subsidize the transplants, begging them to locate in our state or province. Do you see anything inconsistent in that? When did we last give Ford a 10-year freeze on taxes for opening a plant in Mississippi?

If I were an &quot;old car sector&quot; autoworker in the parts or fabrication industry I would initially just be having an angry fit. That would be followed by great sadness on my part as to why everyone seems to be abandoning this very critical sector. And as to why everyone is so myopic. Time will tell how painfully the repercussions will flow through the economy.

Sure, we cannot save every activity, every initiative, and every person&#039;s job. Not too many people make buggy whips anymore. And sure we need new ideas, new solutions.

There is a lot of ignorance in the world. And I am personally ignorant about a lot of things. And maybe I am in this too, but I hope not. 

But to me it seems that there is an awful lot of ignorance to be shared. For example, I have to laugh at the Climate Change crowd. Wake up. That global warming multi-decade charade is over. You have to finally admit, that like communism, the Global Warming ideology is dead, in the wastebasket of history, utterly discredited, useless, and furthermore grievously harmful to our economy. 

Al Gore in his famous film, his sticky words oozing sarcasm, claims that there cannot possibly be a relationship between carbon dioxide and warming. He naturally wants you to laugh at the people who might claim this. This is because He, the Goracle, does this standing in front of a chart showing hundreds of thousands of years of time which confirms that there is an almost pure 1-to-1 relationship between those 2 factors. It is pretty hard to argue with that. I guess Big Al MUST be right --- those stupid people who cannot understand this are like dodos. What utter simpletons they must all be. 

But then that is because Gore has the relationship BACKWARDS. It is not the carbon dioxide that is driving the changes in the average planetary temperatures; it is the temperatures that are driving the concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

This is the kind of pseudo-intellectual and pseudo-scientific babble the average person has to contend with every day. And it goes for the economy as well. We until recently had another person we anointed with god-like skills, another Oracle Big Al, a Maestro, a Guru, a &quot;genius&quot;, our own Alan Greenspan at the Federal Reserve. In a fascinating exchange with Representative Henry A. Waxman, Greenspan admits that maybe his ideology had slight &#039;flaws&#039; 
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/greenspans-mea-culpa/?apage=10

[I begin quote:]

Referring to his free-market ideology, Mr. Greenspan added: &quot;I have found a flaw. I don&#039;t know how significant or permanent it is. But I have been very distressed by that fact.&quot;
Mr. Waxman pressed the former Fed chair to clarify his words. &quot;In other words, you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right, it was not working,&quot; Mr. Waxman said.
&quot;Absolutely, precisely,&quot; Mr. Greenspan replied. &quot;You know, that&#039;s precisely the reason I was shocked, because I have been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well.&quot;
[I end quote.]

But this is what we do; we cling not to our guns and religion, but to those outdated ideological straightjackets that keep us from taking practical and useful positions given differing circumstances and new information. We need to remain flexible. It is not easy.

Why do say this? Because there is a harmful parallel between the Climate Change proponents and the straight-jacketed way we run our money system. We do it backwards. Foremost we base all our growth on Debt --- ever heard of Savings-based Consumption? C&#039;mon, that&#039;s crazy-talk! 

The auto worker, and company executive, must both wonder why all the changes they have made have not brought more improvements to them and to their indigenous industry.

IMO it is because they are up against the most powerful entrenched institution the world has ever known. If it were properly run, that would not matter. But IMHO, it is not properly run, because it clings to a harmful view of how the economy operates. And it therefore makes bad mistakes in trying to &quot;fix&quot; perceived problems.

The institution I am referring to is the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States. Well, to the FED, to be fair, I should add all its brethren in those countries we compete with.

There is collusion, not premeditated, but collusion nevertheless. These institutions and the way they run our money system allow for great hidden subsidization of industries around the globe. There is no level playing field. Our automakers don&#039;t stand a chance.

Don&#039;t get me wrong. There are other wounds. There are other mistakes and mismanagement. But against such otherwise notable maladroitness, the FED does not take second place. It is first.

There is a lot of evidence that the FED was instrumental in the creation and nourishment of the Housing Boom. A similar effect was observed in the auto industry. We could not build and buy enough cars. It was not the big SUV versus the small car, it was that anything went. And now we have the subsequent painful bust. We have pre-bought maybe 7 years worth of surplus cars. That is, because we were so out of whack, it might be 7 years before we return to some normal trend line of sales.

There are many places to read about the FED’s involvement with the Housing Boom --- one recent one is at http://mises.org/story/3252

The way that the FED and the other countries can hurt domestic manufacturing, especially automobile manufacturing, can be showcased with a simple example.  

Let&#039;s use Japan as our example. After the war, Japan was coddled by America. (America did the same with Europe and later with China, for various strategic, geopolitical reasons. These were not poorly thought out. To get any semblance of stability in your former enemies, you need to allow them to rebuild their economies.)

Japan learned to use import duties and import restrictions to help itself. In her position we would have done the same. But the game was learned too well. Japan was never able to wean herself away from this way of doing business. After a while Japan was forced to make some concessions. But it retained (among other &#039;underground&#039; methods) a dangerous, hidden way of stimulating its own industry and economy. This was the printing of Japanese money. If the manufacturing of new money had been kept to only the growth in the indigenous economy&#039;s real output, then no bad effects should have ensued.

But money was manufactured far beyond any semblance of normality. Japan paid for it with the boom of the 1980-s and the subsequent bust. But did China learn from this? Well it learned you could have a boom. Now China is trying to avoid the bust.

What does this have to do with Big Al (Greenspan) and our current FED Head Ben Bernanke?

What Japan and China do, along with many other countries, is that they exchange the Mad Money they have created into American dollars. This is done using those surpluses that their own exporters have earned on world markets. After all, the exporter living in Japan has to pay local wages and taxes using local currency. This entire process penalizes their own workers and consumers, because it keeps their own currencies artificially depressed. Local wages are lower than they should be. And foreign products, to Japanese consumers, are far more expensive than they would otherwise be.

But it is a boon to the economy overall (for a while). The car maker in Japan is subsidized every day this continues. And consequently the American car worker is penalized every day it continues.

His American products cannot compete. 

Not only that, but America&#039;s debts to other countries continue to grow. There are no &quot;checks and balances&quot;, no feedback within the overall system that should force self-correction. We sell our children&#039;s inheritance to others. We have made them debt-slaves to foreigners. They will never forgive us. Well I guess we can claim we did not know any better. That we thought we were doing good.  

So how does the FED facilitate our housing and auto bubbles through a mechanism that is already causing terrible harm to our auto sector? Why it calmly observes that there is no inflation (as measured by a CPI of a limited number of goods and services) and proceeds to also inflate our domestic money supply. This leads to a boom here also. 

This is a boom that is most definitely not indefinitely sustainable, as the current times seem to portend. The earlier example of Al Gore and his graph come to mind. Why it seems perfectly sensible to any non-dodo that we can inflate our money supply to &quot;stimulate&quot; the economy, so long as I, the FED chairman, cannot see any inflation. Not only that, but I can inflate to &quot;save&quot; the economy from that &quot;evil&quot; known as Deflation. Whoa, Deflation ---- now that&#039;s scareeeee, boys and girls. Please see Helicopter Ben and his ideology on display at the FED&#039;s own site
http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm

So, Ben Bernanke, following the ideology of his predecessors, will continue to pump up the money supply, as if that will be our Savior, and not the Deb-Devil it really is --- the devil which has only just started to torment us. 

There is no free lunch. I don&#039;t think the autoworkers are asking for one, given the circumstances I have outlined above. Such &#039;collusion&#039; and artificiality are killing our money system&#039;s ability to do the job it was intended for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, let&#8217;s take a breather.</p>
<p>This is not a bailout. This is about economic warfare with other economies.</p>
<p>They all do it. They all subsidize. They all coddle their own industries. They love our naïveté. They are eating us for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and also for in-between-meal snacks. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t do that. We don&#8217;t like it. It goes against our economic genetic makeup. Our freedom-loving ways make it natural to give people a chance to succeed and to do that, we naturally have to give them the chance to fail. The one cannot occur without the other. Otherwise the resources to let people start up new ventures would always be used to support dying industries. </p>
<p>So why not let the Detroit 3 fail in this case, at this juncture?</p>
<p>First of all, even WE in the West subsidize the transplants, begging them to locate in our state or province. Do you see anything inconsistent in that? When did we last give Ford a 10-year freeze on taxes for opening a plant in Mississippi?</p>
<p>If I were an &#8220;old car sector&#8221; autoworker in the parts or fabrication industry I would initially just be having an angry fit. That would be followed by great sadness on my part as to why everyone seems to be abandoning this very critical sector. And as to why everyone is so myopic. Time will tell how painfully the repercussions will flow through the economy.</p>
<p>Sure, we cannot save every activity, every initiative, and every person&#8217;s job. Not too many people make buggy whips anymore. And sure we need new ideas, new solutions.</p>
<p>There is a lot of ignorance in the world. And I am personally ignorant about a lot of things. And maybe I am in this too, but I hope not. </p>
<p>But to me it seems that there is an awful lot of ignorance to be shared. For example, I have to laugh at the Climate Change crowd. Wake up. That global warming multi-decade charade is over. You have to finally admit, that like communism, the Global Warming ideology is dead, in the wastebasket of history, utterly discredited, useless, and furthermore grievously harmful to our economy. </p>
<p>Al Gore in his famous film, his sticky words oozing sarcasm, claims that there cannot possibly be a relationship between carbon dioxide and warming. He naturally wants you to laugh at the people who might claim this. This is because He, the Goracle, does this standing in front of a chart showing hundreds of thousands of years of time which confirms that there is an almost pure 1-to-1 relationship between those 2 factors. It is pretty hard to argue with that. I guess Big Al MUST be right &#8212; those stupid people who cannot understand this are like dodos. What utter simpletons they must all be. </p>
<p>But then that is because Gore has the relationship BACKWARDS. It is not the carbon dioxide that is driving the changes in the average planetary temperatures; it is the temperatures that are driving the concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide.</p>
<p>This is the kind of pseudo-intellectual and pseudo-scientific babble the average person has to contend with every day. And it goes for the economy as well. We until recently had another person we anointed with god-like skills, another Oracle Big Al, a Maestro, a Guru, a &#8220;genius&#8221;, our own Alan Greenspan at the Federal Reserve. In a fascinating exchange with Representative Henry A. Waxman, Greenspan admits that maybe his ideology had slight &#8216;flaws&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/greenspans-mea-culpa/?apage=10" rel="nofollow">http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/greenspans-mea-culpa/?apage=10</a></p>
<p>[I begin quote:]</p>
<p>Referring to his free-market ideology, Mr. Greenspan added: &#8220;I have found a flaw. I don&#8217;t know how significant or permanent it is. But I have been very distressed by that fact.&#8221;<br />
Mr. Waxman pressed the former Fed chair to clarify his words. &#8220;In other words, you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right, it was not working,&#8221; Mr. Waxman said.<br />
&#8220;Absolutely, precisely,&#8221; Mr. Greenspan replied. &#8220;You know, that&#8217;s precisely the reason I was shocked, because I have been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well.&#8221;<br />
[I end quote.]</p>
<p>But this is what we do; we cling not to our guns and religion, but to those outdated ideological straightjackets that keep us from taking practical and useful positions given differing circumstances and new information. We need to remain flexible. It is not easy.</p>
<p>Why do say this? Because there is a harmful parallel between the Climate Change proponents and the straight-jacketed way we run our money system. We do it backwards. Foremost we base all our growth on Debt &#8212; ever heard of Savings-based Consumption? C&#8217;mon, that&#8217;s crazy-talk! </p>
<p>The auto worker, and company executive, must both wonder why all the changes they have made have not brought more improvements to them and to their indigenous industry.</p>
<p>IMO it is because they are up against the most powerful entrenched institution the world has ever known. If it were properly run, that would not matter. But IMHO, it is not properly run, because it clings to a harmful view of how the economy operates. And it therefore makes bad mistakes in trying to &#8220;fix&#8221; perceived problems.</p>
<p>The institution I am referring to is the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States. Well, to the FED, to be fair, I should add all its brethren in those countries we compete with.</p>
<p>There is collusion, not premeditated, but collusion nevertheless. These institutions and the way they run our money system allow for great hidden subsidization of industries around the globe. There is no level playing field. Our automakers don&#8217;t stand a chance.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. There are other wounds. There are other mistakes and mismanagement. But against such otherwise notable maladroitness, the FED does not take second place. It is first.</p>
<p>There is a lot of evidence that the FED was instrumental in the creation and nourishment of the Housing Boom. A similar effect was observed in the auto industry. We could not build and buy enough cars. It was not the big SUV versus the small car, it was that anything went. And now we have the subsequent painful bust. We have pre-bought maybe 7 years worth of surplus cars. That is, because we were so out of whack, it might be 7 years before we return to some normal trend line of sales.</p>
<p>There are many places to read about the FED’s involvement with the Housing Boom &#8212; one recent one is at <a href="http://mises.org/story/3252" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/story/3252</a></p>
<p>The way that the FED and the other countries can hurt domestic manufacturing, especially automobile manufacturing, can be showcased with a simple example.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s use Japan as our example. After the war, Japan was coddled by America. (America did the same with Europe and later with China, for various strategic, geopolitical reasons. These were not poorly thought out. To get any semblance of stability in your former enemies, you need to allow them to rebuild their economies.)</p>
<p>Japan learned to use import duties and import restrictions to help itself. In her position we would have done the same. But the game was learned too well. Japan was never able to wean herself away from this way of doing business. After a while Japan was forced to make some concessions. But it retained (among other &#8216;underground&#8217; methods) a dangerous, hidden way of stimulating its own industry and economy. This was the printing of Japanese money. If the manufacturing of new money had been kept to only the growth in the indigenous economy&#8217;s real output, then no bad effects should have ensued.</p>
<p>But money was manufactured far beyond any semblance of normality. Japan paid for it with the boom of the 1980-s and the subsequent bust. But did China learn from this? Well it learned you could have a boom. Now China is trying to avoid the bust.</p>
<p>What does this have to do with Big Al (Greenspan) and our current FED Head Ben Bernanke?</p>
<p>What Japan and China do, along with many other countries, is that they exchange the Mad Money they have created into American dollars. This is done using those surpluses that their own exporters have earned on world markets. After all, the exporter living in Japan has to pay local wages and taxes using local currency. This entire process penalizes their own workers and consumers, because it keeps their own currencies artificially depressed. Local wages are lower than they should be. And foreign products, to Japanese consumers, are far more expensive than they would otherwise be.</p>
<p>But it is a boon to the economy overall (for a while). The car maker in Japan is subsidized every day this continues. And consequently the American car worker is penalized every day it continues.</p>
<p>His American products cannot compete. </p>
<p>Not only that, but America&#8217;s debts to other countries continue to grow. There are no &#8220;checks and balances&#8221;, no feedback within the overall system that should force self-correction. We sell our children&#8217;s inheritance to others. We have made them debt-slaves to foreigners. They will never forgive us. Well I guess we can claim we did not know any better. That we thought we were doing good.  </p>
<p>So how does the FED facilitate our housing and auto bubbles through a mechanism that is already causing terrible harm to our auto sector? Why it calmly observes that there is no inflation (as measured by a CPI of a limited number of goods and services) and proceeds to also inflate our domestic money supply. This leads to a boom here also. </p>
<p>This is a boom that is most definitely not indefinitely sustainable, as the current times seem to portend. The earlier example of Al Gore and his graph come to mind. Why it seems perfectly sensible to any non-dodo that we can inflate our money supply to &#8220;stimulate&#8221; the economy, so long as I, the FED chairman, cannot see any inflation. Not only that, but I can inflate to &#8220;save&#8221; the economy from that &#8220;evil&#8221; known as Deflation. Whoa, Deflation &#8212;- now that&#8217;s scareeeee, boys and girls. Please see Helicopter Ben and his ideology on display at the FED&#8217;s own site<br />
<a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm</a></p>
<p>So, Ben Bernanke, following the ideology of his predecessors, will continue to pump up the money supply, as if that will be our Savior, and not the Deb-Devil it really is &#8212; the devil which has only just started to torment us. </p>
<p>There is no free lunch. I don&#8217;t think the autoworkers are asking for one, given the circumstances I have outlined above. Such &#8216;collusion&#8217; and artificiality are killing our money system&#8217;s ability to do the job it was intended for.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd, Dallas, Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd, Dallas, Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABSOLUTELY!!!

How soon we forget just how important these companies were to the establishment of the American Way. Ford and GM helped build this country to what it is. Let&#039;s not forget that these companies have sacrificed for us too. IN times of war, they have stopped production to build miltary vehicles, tanks and planes for our country. Did they ever say NO to helping out when it was needed.

Well now they need us to help them. They wouldn&#039;t be in this problem if more people bought American. Stop trying to impress everyone out there with your Lexus or Mercedes and have a little faith in the American product. 

A few weeks ago, my brother-in-law and I had a heated discussion over American cars and his point was that no American car would last as long or as well as his Porsche, and the only one he&#039;d consider would be a Corvette Z06. I said &quot;really&quot; let&#039;s discuss it. If you took care of the Vette and well as the Porsche, it would last just as long. If you go out there and wipe it with a diaper (soft cloth), change the oil every 1,000 miles and tuck it in at night, just like you do with your Porsche, I guarantee it&#039;ll last just as long. The problem is that you wouldn&#039;t do that becasue it&#039;s n American car, you expect it to be tougher and stand up to more punishment and only change the oil every 5,000 - 7,500 miles. 

America car products are every bit as good as the foreign cars, we are simply much harder on them and expect them to do more with less care and maintenence. It&#039;s an unfair comparison and an completely false statement to say that foreign cars are better. It&#039;s simply not true. 

Ask yourself this, especially if you are an owner of a foreign car, when&#039;s the last time you sat behind the wheel of an American car, I bet it&#039;s been a long, long time. Remember, the best things the foreign car companies have done is not build a better car, but sold people on the idea that they build a better car. Best sales job in world history.

Support GM and Ford in this time of need. They certainly have been there for the past, oh, 100 years for America. 

Be American, Buy American, Support the American product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABSOLUTELY!!!</p>
<p>How soon we forget just how important these companies were to the establishment of the American Way. Ford and GM helped build this country to what it is. Let&#8217;s not forget that these companies have sacrificed for us too. IN times of war, they have stopped production to build miltary vehicles, tanks and planes for our country. Did they ever say NO to helping out when it was needed.</p>
<p>Well now they need us to help them. They wouldn&#8217;t be in this problem if more people bought American. Stop trying to impress everyone out there with your Lexus or Mercedes and have a little faith in the American product. </p>
<p>A few weeks ago, my brother-in-law and I had a heated discussion over American cars and his point was that no American car would last as long or as well as his Porsche, and the only one he&#8217;d consider would be a Corvette Z06. I said &#8220;really&#8221; let&#8217;s discuss it. If you took care of the Vette and well as the Porsche, it would last just as long. If you go out there and wipe it with a diaper (soft cloth), change the oil every 1,000 miles and tuck it in at night, just like you do with your Porsche, I guarantee it&#8217;ll last just as long. The problem is that you wouldn&#8217;t do that becasue it&#8217;s n American car, you expect it to be tougher and stand up to more punishment and only change the oil every 5,000 &#8211; 7,500 miles. </p>
<p>America car products are every bit as good as the foreign cars, we are simply much harder on them and expect them to do more with less care and maintenence. It&#8217;s an unfair comparison and an completely false statement to say that foreign cars are better. It&#8217;s simply not true. </p>
<p>Ask yourself this, especially if you are an owner of a foreign car, when&#8217;s the last time you sat behind the wheel of an American car, I bet it&#8217;s been a long, long time. Remember, the best things the foreign car companies have done is not build a better car, but sold people on the idea that they build a better car. Best sales job in world history.</p>
<p>Support GM and Ford in this time of need. They certainly have been there for the past, oh, 100 years for America. </p>
<p>Be American, Buy American, Support the American product.</p>
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		<title>By: mark albany georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark albany georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bankruptcy is the most viable option at this time. contracts can be negated now, not some future time, yes it will call for all three to downsize. yes workers will lose jobs. yet i did not see the govt. step in last week to help the 535000 workers who applied for first time benefits.....that number by the way equals all of the present employees of the big 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bankruptcy is the most viable option at this time. contracts can be negated now, not some future time, yes it will call for all three to downsize. yes workers will lose jobs. yet i did not see the govt. step in last week to help the 535000 workers who applied for first time benefits&#8230;..that number by the way equals all of the present employees of the big 3.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard n texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard n texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The straight answser is no.  If they collapse, then as with anything in America, with a void, new inventive companies will be created and fill the void.  The good thing is, they cars will be better and the excess of the UAW will lost.

Time to let captialism work the way it is suppose to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The straight answser is no.  If they collapse, then as with anything in America, with a void, new inventive companies will be created and fill the void.  The good thing is, they cars will be better and the excess of the UAW will lost.</p>
<p>Time to let captialism work the way it is suppose to.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Miller, Kalamazoo, MI.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Miller, Kalamazoo, MI.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t a Big three or UAW problem.  This is the governments problem.  Ross Perot said it best, &quot;Giant sucking sound of jobs leaving our country.&quot;  With nafta and cafta and all the other deals to make work for the world, the jobs in the USA would go away.  I knew this had been coming for years.  It was only speeded along by George W. and the Republicans.  The American Auto industry didn&#039;t get tax breaks to match the ones given foreign companies moving to the US.  Could your business compete if the government gave all the breaks to foreign companies. The answer is NO the government made this mess, and they should fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t a Big three or UAW problem.  This is the governments problem.  Ross Perot said it best, &#8220;Giant sucking sound of jobs leaving our country.&#8221;  With nafta and cafta and all the other deals to make work for the world, the jobs in the USA would go away.  I knew this had been coming for years.  It was only speeded along by George W. and the Republicans.  The American Auto industry didn&#8217;t get tax breaks to match the ones given foreign companies moving to the US.  Could your business compete if the government gave all the breaks to foreign companies. The answer is NO the government made this mess, and they should fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Paul Gilbert,Ravenna Mi.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Paul Gilbert,Ravenna Mi.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a mortgage with GMAC and I have been out of work since june 2008. Keeping them informed every month about being behind and needing refi has fallen on thier def ears. GMAC should be treated just like they treat us their borrower&#039;s---very badly! They don&#039;t deserve ANY HELP BECAUSE THEY DON&#039;T EVEN MAKE A EFFORT TO WORK WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS WHO FIND THEMSELVES ALMOST IN TROUBLE. THEY USUALLY MAKE THINGS WORSE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS. Where&#039;s my helping hand...not thru GMAC that&#039;s for sure!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a mortgage with GMAC and I have been out of work since june 2008. Keeping them informed every month about being behind and needing refi has fallen on thier def ears. GMAC should be treated just like they treat us their borrower&#8217;s&#8212;very badly! They don&#8217;t deserve ANY HELP BECAUSE THEY DON&#8217;T EVEN MAKE A EFFORT TO WORK WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS WHO FIND THEMSELVES ALMOST IN TROUBLE. THEY USUALLY MAKE THINGS WORSE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS. Where&#8217;s my helping hand&#8230;not thru GMAC that&#8217;s for sure!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Leo, Cedar Rapids, Iowa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo, Cedar Rapids, Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give them a bailout - and bail them out of the UAW while you&#039;re at it.

 UAW work rules and excessively high wages are a significant part of the reason the US auto industry has a very hard time being competative on a consistant basis.

 The only unions I know of that are MORE of a parasite are the Postal Worker&#039;s Union and the Teamsters - all 3 of these unions are notorious for making it almost impossible to fire incompetant workers even WITH cause, among other issues.

 And no, I am not anti-union. I&#039;ve helped unionise one place I worked because it needed a union - but far too many unions last far beyond the point they are needed and turn into parasites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give them a bailout &#8211; and bail them out of the UAW while you&#8217;re at it.</p>
<p> UAW work rules and excessively high wages are a significant part of the reason the US auto industry has a very hard time being competative on a consistant basis.</p>
<p> The only unions I know of that are MORE of a parasite are the Postal Worker&#8217;s Union and the Teamsters &#8211; all 3 of these unions are notorious for making it almost impossible to fire incompetant workers even WITH cause, among other issues.</p>
<p> And no, I am not anti-union. I&#8217;ve helped unionise one place I worked because it needed a union &#8211; but far too many unions last far beyond the point they are needed and turn into parasites.</p>
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		<title>By: Brice, Iowa City, IA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brice, Iowa City, IA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM, no. They have been blowing off the market for decades, and their steady decline in market share compared to Ford (much less their losses to the imports) is a direct result.

 Chrysler, mabey. They almost went backrupt once before, got a big loan from the government, and eventually paid it off.

 Ford, yes IF needed. They&#039;ve lost by far the least market share of the 3 big US auto makers over the last 40 years, because they are more responsive to the market most of the time. Doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re perfect, but they do the best job of the Big 3 overall - and that is reflected by their far better current financial position compared to GM or Chrysler.


 Personally, I think far too many morgage holders are getting a free ride the last few months, when those of us that do deal with credit RESPONSIBLY are getting the shaft on these bailouts. Where&#039;s *MY* free money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM, no. They have been blowing off the market for decades, and their steady decline in market share compared to Ford (much less their losses to the imports) is a direct result.</p>
<p> Chrysler, mabey. They almost went backrupt once before, got a big loan from the government, and eventually paid it off.</p>
<p> Ford, yes IF needed. They&#8217;ve lost by far the least market share of the 3 big US auto makers over the last 40 years, because they are more responsive to the market most of the time. Doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re perfect, but they do the best job of the Big 3 overall &#8211; and that is reflected by their far better current financial position compared to GM or Chrysler.</p>
<p> Personally, I think far too many morgage holders are getting a free ride the last few months, when those of us that do deal with credit RESPONSIBLY are getting the shaft on these bailouts. Where&#8217;s *MY* free money?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Massey, Huntingdon, TN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Massey, Huntingdon, TN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABSOLUTELY NOT! Before they are giving a dime make the UAW re-negotitate it&#039;s contract. It&#039;s redicious what they are making and now letting the taxpayers bail them out. It is apparent the UAW tends to hold the American Automotive Industry hostage and demanding a ransom the American tax payers can ill afford. Congrats to congress for giving Mr Gettlefinger and his greedy constituents the middle finger!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABSOLUTELY NOT! Before they are giving a dime make the UAW re-negotitate it&#8217;s contract. It&#8217;s redicious what they are making and now letting the taxpayers bail them out. It is apparent the UAW tends to hold the American Automotive Industry hostage and demanding a ransom the American tax payers can ill afford. Congrats to congress for giving Mr Gettlefinger and his greedy constituents the middle finger!!!</p>
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		<title>By: J. Sparks ,Spring, Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Sparks ,Spring, Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>b&gt; If a family member is sick and no one does anything then that person may die, who suffers, not the dead person but the family. ( loss of income, protection etc. The same I feel holds for GM, they are a major part of this country if they die the states will suffer not GM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b&gt; If a family member is sick and no one does anything then that person may die, who suffers, not the dead person but the family. ( loss of income, protection etc. The same I feel holds for GM, they are a major part of this country if they die the states will suffer not GM.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad, Fort Wayne IN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad, Fort Wayne IN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM and Chrysler are in no position to deserve a lucrative loan from our tax dollars. They regularly embrace business practices not accepted in any other industry in America.  Such as the job bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM and Chrysler are in no position to deserve a lucrative loan from our tax dollars. They regularly embrace business practices not accepted in any other industry in America.  Such as the job bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Collie, San Clemente, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Collie, San Clemente, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should not bail out Chrysler. THey have owners with deep pockets who won&#039;t invest int heir own company. Why should the taxpayer? It doesn&#039;t make sense. Tell Cereberus to spend some of that $ 100 Billion in revenue on Chrysler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should not bail out Chrysler. THey have owners with deep pockets who won&#8217;t invest int heir own company. Why should the taxpayer? It doesn&#8217;t make sense. Tell Cereberus to spend some of that $ 100 Billion in revenue on Chrysler.</p>
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		<title>By: GREG WILSON CALIFON, NJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GREG WILSON CALIFON, NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BORROW THE MONEY NEEDED FROM THE OIL COMPANIES,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BORROW THE MONEY NEEDED FROM THE OIL COMPANIES,</p>
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		<title>By: K. Johnson Detroit, Michigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Johnson Detroit, Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a loan to the auto industry. The last loan was paid back with profit(Chrysler in the 80&#039;s) . If GM goes into chapter 11 who would finance it??? Nobody would be in a position to give GM the billions of dollars needed to work thru chapter 11.  The company would go into chapter 7 and who would be in line to buy the assets? foreign car companies.

Giving the money to the American people would devalue our dollar so bad, we would be in worse shape.

I have never owned a foreign car and probably never will, I will always buy from an American car company. As with every thing I do I try and balance what is good for my family with what is good for my country.

Our manufacturing sector is being destroyed by foreign competition and the sending of jobs over seas. This is the same manufacturing capacity that was called &quot;the arsenal of democracy&quot;. The government should loan the money to the auto companies, but they should also restrict the so called free trade agreements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a loan to the auto industry. The last loan was paid back with profit(Chrysler in the 80&#8217;s) . If GM goes into chapter 11 who would finance it??? Nobody would be in a position to give GM the billions of dollars needed to work thru chapter 11.  The company would go into chapter 7 and who would be in line to buy the assets? foreign car companies.</p>
<p>Giving the money to the American people would devalue our dollar so bad, we would be in worse shape.</p>
<p>I have never owned a foreign car and probably never will, I will always buy from an American car company. As with every thing I do I try and balance what is good for my family with what is good for my country.</p>
<p>Our manufacturing sector is being destroyed by foreign competition and the sending of jobs over seas. This is the same manufacturing capacity that was called &#8220;the arsenal of democracy&#8221;. The government should loan the money to the auto companies, but they should also restrict the so called free trade agreements.</p>
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		<title>By: T. James   Venice, FL</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. James   Venice, FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Bailout period.  The US auto industry needs a complete overhaul - from management to auto worker.  There are plenty of highly qualified and motivated workers waiting in the unemployment lines.  Let the big three reorganize under bankruptcy and let a new US auto industry emerge that will set the standard of competition rather than run from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Bailout period.  The US auto industry needs a complete overhaul &#8211; from management to auto worker.  There are plenty of highly qualified and motivated workers waiting in the unemployment lines.  Let the big three reorganize under bankruptcy and let a new US auto industry emerge that will set the standard of competition rather than run from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave, Dyersville, IA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave, Dyersville, IA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do they deserve a bail out? No. Years of squandering and poor managing of finances and not keeping up with foreign companies has put them in this situation. 

As much as they don&#039;t deserve a bail out, it is absolutely necessary. A failure of one or all of the companies would leave millions more out of work, and throw us into a massive depression. There has to be oversight of the funds, to ensure that the money does not go for any bonuses of any kind, except perhaps to employees who can find ways to ease costs, labor, production times, and so on. No CEO or corporate bonuses should be used with taxpayer money and there has to be a way for the taxpayers to get a return on our investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do they deserve a bail out? No. Years of squandering and poor managing of finances and not keeping up with foreign companies has put them in this situation. </p>
<p>As much as they don&#8217;t deserve a bail out, it is absolutely necessary. A failure of one or all of the companies would leave millions more out of work, and throw us into a massive depression. There has to be oversight of the funds, to ensure that the money does not go for any bonuses of any kind, except perhaps to employees who can find ways to ease costs, labor, production times, and so on. No CEO or corporate bonuses should be used with taxpayer money and there has to be a way for the taxpayers to get a return on our investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Adkins Huntington, WV</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Adkins Huntington, WV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all,we need a small bailout package to just stabalize the economy and get confidence back in the economy. I do feel that we need upper management change in all three companies and that they need to focus on vehicles that consumers want instead of all the brands. Why is everyone talking about the labor wages of the big three? Toyota came out and said that their package is higher than the big three. The problem is, that Toyota may be employing local people, but the majority of the money is going to foreign countries. I just purchased a 2008 F-150 and the Toyota truck was $6000.00 higher than what I purchased (Ford trucks is all I buy). So if everyone is concerned about union labor wages, then why are the Toyota&#039;s substantially higher? This tells me that they underpay local workers and the rest of the money goes over seas.So, the big three need to make better vehicles and it should be our obligation to purchase from the big three and keep all the money in our country!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all,we need a small bailout package to just stabalize the economy and get confidence back in the economy. I do feel that we need upper management change in all three companies and that they need to focus on vehicles that consumers want instead of all the brands. Why is everyone talking about the labor wages of the big three? Toyota came out and said that their package is higher than the big three. The problem is, that Toyota may be employing local people, but the majority of the money is going to foreign countries. I just purchased a 2008 F-150 and the Toyota truck was $6000.00 higher than what I purchased (Ford trucks is all I buy). So if everyone is concerned about union labor wages, then why are the Toyota&#8217;s substantially higher? This tells me that they underpay local workers and the rest of the money goes over seas.So, the big three need to make better vehicles and it should be our obligation to purchase from the big three and keep all the money in our country!</p>
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